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E Robert Fabian
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 02:43 pm |
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Dean, I believe it was developed by the Germans 1930-1940 and is a mineral base gun conditioner cleaner, you can apply to wood and metal. I just started using it, in the case of the 10ga. it softened up the dried up oil and dirt. I purchased two 16oz. cans at Midway [ get the liquid not the aerosol and don't forget to order the pump I did had to use a Windex squirt bottle.
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Carl Brandt
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 05:16 pm |
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Dean,
All you ever wanted to know about Ballistol...it also smells funny, but it will grow on you.
http://www.firehawktech.com/v/vspfiles/V4_Backup/b^index01.asp[/url]
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Dave Suponski
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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Dean,I have used it for years on all my Parkers.Great stuff.......
Dave...
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E Robert Fabian
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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Thanks Harry, I had a brief chance to check out the previous thread. I'm interested in every body's favorite load. I have a supply of Nice Shot which loads the same as lead. Have some Federal hulls coming and won bid on e bay for 750 SP-10 wads, need to order a press.
Bob
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 12:59 pm |
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That NH10 sure cleaned up nice and looks like it has a lot of case left on the action.
You can also get a booklet from Gunnerman books that has loads for 2 7/8" and 2 5/8" 10 gauge, along with a few 8 bore loads. The only problem is that all 10ga loads are all with IMR 7625, which is not all that great for cold weather. I have shot a lot of the sherman bell #75 loads at birds and sporting clays and it is a great low pressure load as long as the temps are not really cold. I have yet to determine at what temperature the velocity goes downhill.
Good luck with the mighty 10,
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 02:56 pm |
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Kurt,
I use the Bell data as well. My hunting load of 1 1/4oz uses IMR 4756. Does this have a temp problem as well? Down here we get some cold weather, but nothing like up north and I have not experienced a problem yet.
Harry
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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I shoot a lot of 7625 at clays in 12ga and in cold and colder weather. It degrades in power a little below 10deg F and is noticably anemic at times at -10 and almost humorous were it not for stuck wads at -20F. The trick is to keep your supply in the heated car while you shoot 25 at a time; don't let the ammo get cold soaked..... Don't have any experience with 4756. I second the vote for Ballistol. I use it on everything, especially the coat the innards of my Parkers.
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Dave Suponski
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 05:38 pm |
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Kurt,I use SR7625 in all my 16ga. loads and although I don,t shoot at temps. as cold as Richard I have shot in the high 20,s-low 30,s with no ill results. Hope this helps..
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Kurt Densmore
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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Thanks Dave. That may be the case with the 16 because of a higher pressure load. From what I understatnd it is a pressure issue. The #75 sherman bell load is only 5000psi and with the drop in temp it doesn't combust as well. A 7625 load in the 10 at a higher pressure may not have this issue. I will be trying a heavier load with higher pressure this fall to see if this theory holds up. A couple of weeks ago I e-mailed Hodgdon to find out if they have a pressure/velocity/temperature realationship graph but they have not responded. From person experience I thought that the drop in velocity was at a higher temperature than Richards 10 degree above zero senerio. I have chronographed the load at about 40degree ambient air temp but I can't remember how long I let the shot shells set outside before shooting them. I did not see any drop in velocity at this temperature. I headed out for snows and we had temps in the high twenties and the shot didn't seem like it was hitting the birds very hard. They were flying off after getting hit with bismuth #2's at 60 yards. The gun didn't seem to be as loud or have the recoil either. But then I had hunting clothes on and was excited. It would have been nice to shoot through a crony at that temp. I had the same problems in MI last December in about mid 20 degree F temps. Same load in September on giant canadas and it was rocking them. Yea, I know....too much empirical data.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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Kurt,
Could be too that you were shooting September geese and January geese. Early in the year they don't have a lot of feathers on them and hardly any fat at all. Later in the season they've got their winter clothes on and a layer of fat under the skin.
Seems like you can knock down an early season bird with anything, but those late season geese take some killing. I can recall picking shot out of late season birds that barely got through the skin, and it would have a ball of down built up around it from passing through the feathers. You don't see that on a September goose.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 07:14 pm |
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I know what you mean Destry. I don't like to use steel on late season geese for that reason. It still doesn't negate the issue with snow geese, they will at least do down a quarter mile away when hit with a couple of pellets. Sure is fun watching the dog chase those birds down.
Could also be that there are not a lot of #2 pellets in a 1 1/8oz load. But, that DH shoots really tight. Too many variables, including hitting them in the front half.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 07:35 pm |
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Yeah, there ain't too many #2 in a light charge like that.
But you're right, as the old fella always said, you just gotta "shoot 'em where they eat, not where they sheeit".
If I could only do it that way everytime.......
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:23 pm |
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DH- I believe I gave you some Bismuth handloads using Sherman Bell's recipes (less buffer) for 1 1/4 oz along with the Sinkbox Society Parker 10 gauge toplever. I'm anxious to see you shoot that gun. Perhaps I'll put together some #5s for you for Quebec. The upcoming trip to Alberta next month is problematic regarding gun choice due to flying with ammo. 8 ducks/8 geese per day and sharptails requires some thought. I'd love to take the steel barreled 10ga Mag Grade 2 toplever and the #2 frame 32" DH 20 Magnum but how many boxes of #4 Tungsten 1 3/4oz and #6 1 1/4oz can you carry The LH Benelli SBE II  or Briley'ed Superposed Magnum may have to come along for backup and find some 12g non-tox ammo in Calgary....sheez... what problem...
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E Robert Fabian
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 10:40 pm |
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Thanks all, I have about every thing in transit, received 150 primed federal 3 1/2 . Ordered a shell trimmer.
Has any one tried a hotter primer in cold weather, I think federal 209 is a little hotter than the Winchesters. A common practice in rifle loading for cold weather.
I'm interested in any one's favorite hunting loads 1 1/4 1 3/8 1 1/2
I loaded a 1 1/4 oz. 8000 psi 12 ga. load for turkey which I wasn't happy with, found a great Long Shot load 1 1/2 oz. which had much less felt recoil and patterned well also.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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| Kurt, just changing the gauge you are loading with a certain powder to a ten gauge will not raise the pressure for cold weather performance unless the shot load is much heavier. A slow burning powder with a light shot load is not going to perform in cold weather in the larger gauges. You won't need a graph to identify the bad loads. You just need to know the published pressure. I can't imagine using made up loads when there are thousands of published and tested loads with identified pressures. Of course, some of the loads published by vintage gun shooters seem to be geared toward the fact that they own a keg of 7625 or some other non versatile powder. Notice that some of them may have 4800 pounds of pressure and some of them may have 8000 pounds, and they pronounce both loads to be ideal. That's because they put loads together from what they had on hand, not by using the best choice of components. If you are shooting a light barrelled Damascus gun or shooting in cold weather, neither of these loads is ideal for both purposes. Pick loads with a fast enough powder to get out of the 5000-6000 range and slow enough powder to avoid the 8000 and up range. For cold weather hunting with the shells stored in the trunk of your car, use loads on the high side of the range. No fuss, no muss. Last edited on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 11:08 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 01:05 am |
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Don,
Just sent you an email with a possible solution to your cartridge dilema.
You most certainly did give me some bismuth cartridges along with the gun. I'm keen to give it a try as well.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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Don; Check with UPS/FEDEX on shipping your shells to an established address in Canada. I have had good luck sending some delicate, and relatively expensive gifts to my daughter in Edmonton via UPS.
I think the ORM D shipping classification is the same US/Canada. If you use "gift" as the customs category, things usually pass easily.
Best, Austin
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 01:55 pm |
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| "Gift", that's a good idea. My shipped live ammo is usually "machine parts".
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 02:30 pm |
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| Thanks Austin. Destry had a variation on the same thought. Last edited on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 03:23 pm by Don Kaas
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