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john truitt
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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| Sorry if this has been discussed before. But does anyone have a picture of how or if parker stamped 3" chambered guns.
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john truitt
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 11:12 pm |
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| Never mind I think I figured it out. It should always be stamped on the lug. The gun I am looking at is not stamped on the lug. Probably non original chambers.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 11:24 pm |
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| Actually, the only 3" chambered Parkers that have the message stamped on the lug are the late Remington era guns. Many Parkers before the Remington era were chambered for 3" shells, either a 3" chamber or 2 7/8" chamber. Only a PGCA letter will tell you the original chamber length of your gun. Pre Remington guns normally did not have chamber length information stamped on the gun.
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john truitt
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 11:34 pm |
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| thanks mr murphy. i was able to find the old post from a few months ago discussing this same topic. thank you
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E Robert Fabian
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 11:36 pm |
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John, I've spoken to a few people who should know and read that a three inch gun has a straight tapper on outside of barrels. Take straight edge, starting at chambers, and set straight edge on out side of barrels You should not see any light between the two.
Bob
Last edited on Thu Aug 7th, 2008 11:36 pm by E Robert Fabian
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 01:00 am |
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Bob, I hadn't heard that before - about the straight taper on 3" chambered guns - what are your sources? I'm not contesting it, just curious.
Dean
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E Robert Fabian
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 02:33 am |
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Hi Dean, I was in NY at Larry DeLgrego's last week and he made that statement,I'm not sure who else mentioned it. I believe I read it in TPS and am pretty sure on that.
Makes me think of one of my favorites, Don't belive anything you hear, anything you read and half of what you see.
Bob
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 02:42 am |
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Thanks Bob. That's interesting and I guess if anyone should know, it would be Larry.
Regards, Dean
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 12:50 pm |
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| Not 3" chambered guns but 3" Magnum chambered guns have a distinct lack of swamping in the breech area. As Murphy points out, Parker chambered guns for long shells long prior to Western's introduction of the 3" Magnum Super X in the early 1920's. I have a factory 1902 DH #3 frame with 2 7/8" chambers. It is not marked and the barrels are swamped normally.
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 01:43 pm |
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| I don't know exactly when the 3" magnum Super-X load was introduced, but I assume it was some time before the advent of the lug marked Parker 3" guns. I assume Parker chambered guns for 3" shells of Super-X persuasion that are not lug marked, and possibly not straight tapered. I think the PGCA letter is the way to determine the originality of the long chambered guns. However, as far as I know, the stock book entries do not include a column for chamber length in most eras. After 1919, the end of normal order book entry, it may be hard to determine originality of long chambers. A straight taper was probably decided on for Remington era 3" magnum guns because they were mostly built on the #1 1/2 frame. Many earlier 3" chambered guns were made on #2 and #3 frames and swamped barrels still had plenty of wall thickness for magnum shells. I don't really know whether excessively thick barrels are neccesary for 3" shells since the pressure figures for such shells are quite similar to the pressures for many 2 3/4" loads. Last edited on Fri Aug 8th, 2008 01:55 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 03:53 pm |
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| From my reading, the first application of the term "Magnum" to American shotgun shells I find was in 1932 with the introduction 3 1/2 inch Magnum-Ten. The original 1922 3-inch 12-gauge Super-X shell with 1 3/8 ounces of shot didn't use that term. Winchester/Western applied "Magnum" to their 3-inch Super Speed/Super-X shells in 1935 when they upped the payload to 1 5/8 ounces with the introduction of of the Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun.
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